My Response to “Stop trying to find ‘cutting edge’ magic”

eftresq wrote:

Stop trying to find “cutting edge” magick, get off your ass, and learn the magick that already exists. You guys are always so quick to declare “it’s not better just because it’s older!” but utterly fail to comprehend the exact opposite is also true.
You want “cutting edge”? Then follow Dee’s example, learn the Old Magick, contact the spirits, and ask them to teach you something new. That’s how it’s supposed to work.”
–Aaron Leitch

Too good to not pass on…

I wrote:

Stop trying to find “cutting edge” magick, get off your ass, and learn the magick that already exists. You guys are always so quick to declare “it’s not better just because it’s older!” but utterly fail to comprehend the exact opposite is also true.

Why? The bulk of traditional Western magic is based on obsolete ontological thought, inelegant Mathematics, and was calculated by humans who didn’t have computers meaning their calculations were limited in precision, accuracy, complexity, and time. Imagine what John Dee or Agrippa could have done if they had the machines and computational power we do now. Imagine the talismans they could have made if they had 3D printers. Pure Mathematics – a subset of Metaphysics and Philosophy, has grown by leaps and bounds in at least the last 100 years.

Novel ontological frameworks created recently are more likely to be complex, elegant, and efficient because they have been optimized and are predicated on more advanced tools. Honestly, this sounds like an appeal that magical practices should be authentic over novel for the arbitrary reason of bias’s sake.

Abstractly, magic is a form of technology, so why should I want bleeding-edge computational technology and not bleeding edge magic when, abstractly, they are both based on Ontology and Combinatorics. Change with the times. As someone who works in engineering…, I wholeheartedly disagree. We have so many more tools to use. Why are we not using them?

You want “cutting edge”? Then follow Dee’s example, learn the Old Magick, contact the spirits, and ask them to teach you something new. That’s how it’s supposed to work.

Uhhh, no. I went to universities and got degrees. I asked my educated professors who had credentials and degrees to teach me something new in universities. On a daily basis, I ask my academic colleagues to teach me something new. Those degrees I got taught me about Ontology and Pure Mathematics albeit most of my work is Applied. I also gained experience in working with ontologies per work experience. I’m creatively applying my work experience and education to magic to create novel, creative, and innovative models and solutions. How about we instruct people to get formal educations at real universities? Because I went to real, accredited universities and learned Pure Mathematics, I can not only apply this to my magical practices, I can make a living manipulating symbols that reference entities per rules to manipulate the world – Algebra and Engineering; that is respected by society and pays a lot of money. We shouldn’t be discouraging people from pursuing education and skills that are relevant to society and living in society by telling them to learn new things by essentially something like prayer – invocation, from a religious text where hopefully, angels will grant you that skill. That’s insane!

The fact that this thread was created and approved by a moderator – u/eftresq, it is quoting an author and member of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, and it is expressing a negative attitude about novel magical systems that are not authentic of Enochian Magic leads me to believe there is an agenda at pushing a particular culture and products here. My biggest pet peeve with occultism is the conflation of authentic with real. For example, anyone can write fan fiction concerning Marvel; however, it isn’t canon until the powers that be of Marvel say it is. Does this make Thanos real? Does Thanos have existential import? No. What is implied in occultism is that if it is authentic, it is real; therefore, if it is not authentic, it is not real; however, what is authentic or traditional is predicated on culture. This strikes me as a lament that people aren’t seeking out the culture of the Hermetic Order, anymore. Versus criticizing other forms of magic people practice, perhaps a delegate of the Hermetic Order could ask himself what about the culture of his organization is making it so that people aren’t interested. Occult societies and orders have a bad reputation concerning misogyny, cult behavior, abuse, sexual abuse, fraud, racism, and ethnocentrism. The expectations and culture of the current-day cohort are such that the culture turns people off, so if they could take elements of it without adopting all the distasteful bits of that culture, they will. Honestly, I think occult societies are cults. I approach magic from an abstract perspective because it allows me to generalize magical rules in such a way that the rules are separated from largely irrelevant tacit cultural influences. I do so because those cultural forces are largely anti-social, pathological, compulsory, addictive, maladaptive, anathema to spiritual progress. There is a spirit of domination and addiction and compulsion that runs rampant in occult communities, cultures, and organizations.

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